Pat Robertson says God told him who next president will be and he hates Obama.

And, what is the damn truth? It is that Christians are not ashamed of the Lord's skin color!!!!! You don't like Pat Robertson....fine....don't care! You don't Christians....fine...don't care! But, I do care most emphatically that this article states that Christians are ashamed of His skin color!

Nah, that squinting looks occurs everytime Ol' Pat opens his mouth to change his foot. He's probably thinking, "Man I gotta wash my feet!"

There must be a GOD. Pat talks to him several times a day.

Maybe Pat is talking to someone else who is pretending to be GOD?

Anybody have any ideas who might be talking to Pat?

If Pat really thinks he talks to god is reason for him to be in a padded cell.

It is that Christians are not ashamed of the Lord's skin color!!!!!

I'm not too sure about that.

I don't think that someone born in the Middle East 2,000 years ago looked like one of the Bee Gees.

The images of Jesus with a beard, by the way, didn't show up until about the 6th century. I can only assume that beards were fashionable then.

Some scholars think Jesus would have been swarthy, others think Jesus was black like his mother. The Nazis have decided that Jesus was Aryan.

This artist painted Jesus as a red head, though.

The thing is, the Bible doesn't even say what Jesus looked like. That means that we have decided what he looks like through social convention.

It isn't real.

But it's pretty interesting that the seat of global power (Europe) decided Jesus was white.

Great point Susan!

What better way to control people than to make a "saviour" who looks like them.

The thing is, the Bible doesn't even say what Jesus looked like. That means that we have decided what he looks like through social convention.

Susan,

The Scofield and King James Bible editions both describe him in the Old Testament "as having hair liken to a sheep and skin the color of bronze". I'm not sure of the exact chapter where this is, but that is the description. That said, I'm not sure that makes him Black, as almost all peoples in such a hot, desert like area would undoubtedly be bronze (or tanned?) from constant heat and sun exposure.

As for Pat, just another zealot spouting nonsense.

One thing that I know about God. If he spoke to Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, Herman Cain and Rick Santorum and told them to run for president, God must be a Democrat.

You made my night, Mountainmike!

Q: Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?
A: He lay awake at night wondering if there really was a dog.

We all know the joke, but no joke can ever come close to the shear audacity of this man.

A well known Genesis song reads....

Jesus he knows me
and he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
oh yes he knows me
and he knows I'm right
well he's been telling me
everything's gonna be alright

Won't find me practising what I'm preaching
won't find me making no sacrifice
but I can get you a pocketful of miracles
if you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
just do as I say, don't do as I do

I'm counting my blessings,
I've found true happiness
cos I'm getting richer, day by day
you can find me in the phone book,
just call my toll free number
you can do it anyway you want
just do it right away

It could have have been written with this clown in mind, (but it was Robert Tilton of course) Old Pat will be selling Life after Death policy's next

The Scofield and King James Bible editions both describe him in the Old Testament "as having hair liken to a sheep and skin the color of bronze"

Ah, but those are European Bibles, aren't they?

If those were African Bibles, they would give a very different description.

;>)

Why would Jesus have looked different than current day Jews and Arabs? People really believe he was the blond haired German seem in so many portraits?

I did not know biblical texts changed by region. That would be terrible news for the fundamentalist who believe the Bible contains the revealed Word of God.

Well I don't know that the Bible changed by region per se (Bibles seem to pretty much only be produced by Europeans/Americans) but the changes that have been made in its various versions do reflect the environment and attitudes at the time of the revision.

Paintings of Jesus also reflect their environment. Older Chinese paintings of him give him Asian eyes. At least one modern scholar claims that Jesus actually was Chinese.

It's all very much a matter of interpretation I suppose - and what you want to believe.

We cast God in our own image - it's as simple as that. If a man happens to be hateful and paranoid, his God becomes a vengeful spirit crushing perceived enemies for the sake of right and righteousness.

So yes. It is, very much, a matter of interpretation, and therein lies the problem.

Well now all of these comments have sort of given me a revelation. It seems that God is who ever or what ever we choose him/her to be. This can range from being a 'fairy Godmother' to some kind of an avenging angel depending upon the given circumstances. That tends to explain the very broad definition of God that appears or has appeared in every society that has ever existed. Simply put, because we are confined to a small space in our universe and are given limited ability to comprehend infinity, we universally tend to create an all powerful supreme being to serve as our protector, our life guide, and our reason for existence.

Since no two people are exactly alike there can be no exact definition or description of God so we are left with a kind of shopping list of 'one size fits all' variants to choose from. Then there are those who simply create their own belief systems. In any case there simply cannot be as many Gods as there are religions. I think the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians had multiple Gods that covered every kind of possible circumstance and that sort of worked because there was something for everyone. Where we got into trouble as a species is when we decided to go with monotheism. Suddenly we were trying to cram everyone into the same box and we all know that just won't work. LOL

More importantly is the concept that those who represent these various religions may very well be simply capitalizing upon our individual weaknesses and our need to believe in something greater than ourselves. Bingo! Suddenly we have the Falwells, the Bakers, the Robertsons, and so on. Just like drugs where there is a market and a demand someone will show up to fill that demand and make a tidy profit in the process.

As I always say life is a series of choices and all choices have consequences. So the consequences of our choices in life will always be ours to bear until we meet our final judgement or evaluation. That is when the grain finally will be separated from the chaff. In some ways it is kind of interesting to note that religion and politics both have something in common. When they first started out their intent was to do good and serve the people but over time both became corrupt and now use the people they once served. How very human of them. HEH HEH HEH HEH

We have this description of Jesus, which is a result of our sin:

¹³ See, my servant will act wisely;
he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.
¹⁴ Just as there were many who were appalled at him—
his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being
and his form marred beyond human likeness—
¹⁵ so he will sprinkle many nations,
and kings will shut their mouths because of him.
For what they were not told, they will see,
and what they have not heard, they will understand. (Isaiah 52)

Any attempt at providing a pictorial reference of Jesus Christ must neccesarily be wrong, else people would worship the picture, and not the Person. Look at what they do with the Crucifix and statues of Mary. See Jesus in a piece of toast? Good grief! Still, it pleases the devil to lure the unsuspecting in to putting forth some pictorial reference of Jesus, and there are indeed many who worship and adore the picture but do not know the Person.

Jesus loves me, this I know

Cause Pat Robertson told me so.

Pat, he knows, 'cause God told him this,

To get to Heav'n Pat's ass I must kiss.

Go ahead if you want to, Tony. I don't roll that way.

Levi, you have no sense of humor.

actually, I have a great sense of humor. As for gaining heaven by deference to an earthly man, that is way wrong. I know you meant it in jest. I still don't roll that way.

"Any attempt at providing a pictorial reference of Jesus Christ must neccesarily be wrong, else people would worship the picture, and not the Person"

Thats one hell of a of a "get of jail free card" right there

Mikey, what the heck are you talking about?

Well,, maybe I'm being a little obtuse,, What I mean to outline is the fact that most people of a religious bent, especially your average Christian, will always, almost to a man, find at least 4 alternative meanings for every biblical quote, picture, story in the bible.

For instance,,,should I quote the Bible,, John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14

"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."

You see how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.

But most Christians will cry "well no,,you see,,it doesn't literally mean that of course, its means,,yada yada yada Oh and (just for good measure) by the way you shouldn't tempt the Lord Thy God either.

There will always be a get out clause for all religious references, always a double meaning which can be taken one way or another depending on which religious star you have hooked your wagon to, to justify their "God" as being the one, original, true, super duper Lord God Almighty.

The bible is full of such examples of inconsistency, therefore arguing about the color of an imaginary mans skin, seems a little puerile.

(Good fun though)

So sorry for being a little confusing earlier I'll try harder next time

M

Mikey,

the fact that most people of a religious bent, especially your average Christian, will always, almost to a man, find at least 4 alternative meanings for every biblical quote, picture, story in the bible.

Really? Are you not exagerating? Well, here is the problem with common non-Christian understanding of that passage. I've addressed it often enough, and I have read the belief that Jesus is false in this passage.

What is not understood is the qualifier..."If you have faith in Me". This faith, defined by the Bible in various passages, rules out the atheist, the agnostic, those who play at religion (seven sons of Sceva, book of Acts), all religions other than Christianity and all those who call theirselves "Christian" who do not have faith in Jesus. And as for me, I have seen/witnessed/been a part of various workings of God such as Jesus did here on earth. I find that statement by Jesus actually true, just misunderstood by those who wish the Bible to be false.

This faith, defined by the Bible in various passages, rules out the atheist, the agnostic, those who play at religion (seven sons of Sceva, book of Acts), all religions other than Christianity and all those who call theirselves "Christian" who do not have faith in Jesus

And "BOOM" there it is, need I say more

OK Levi,,,,if that's your angle, your a believer? YOU pray for the end of cancer, lets see how far you get (I'll look out for it in the papers)

Mikey, I am a believer (thank you for noticing!) but you most likely won't read about any cure for cancer that is a result of faith in God, in the paper. Not that it doesn't happen, but I get by your comment that you mean the final solution to all cancer. Heck, science can't even do that!

It's really silly to try to demand that God do something. He's not a trick pony. I have seen the miraculous, including creative miracles of healing, and again, you won't read about it in the paper. It doesn't serve the atheist, anti-God agenda. But you sure can hear about them at church.

"And BOOM, there it is". You're being vague again. There what is?

It's really silly to try to demand that God do something. He's not a trick pony.

But Levi (sigh) what about "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." statement as posted earlier? You call "If you have faith in Me" a qualifier, I call it a "get out of jail free card"

You can't have it all ways, either Jesus will do whats is asked of him (by somebody with faith as you say) or he wont, it is as simple as that. re read my post,

And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."

Go ahead, pray real hard and do us all a favor, cure cancer, prove to us what you are saying is a fact, not a belief or a faith but a hard fact. (or maybe you feel you dont have enough faith as your "If you have faith in Me" statement suggests )

but I get by your comment that you mean the final solution to all cancer. Heck, science can't even do that!

But your God can't either, by the very meaning from the passage from the Bible quoted above, don't you believe that if God exists and enough "faithful" people asked he would? seems a little spiteful if he could, but chose not to, don't you think?

When you can offer hard facts, then you can spout all the pious mumbo jumbo clap trap you want I will listen with all the respect that will be deserving a well presented, fully backed, proven fact and I will beat you to the front pew on Sunday fully humbled and repented.

Until then please don't muddy the waters with unsubstantiated, unproven beliefs and theory's. You seem like an intelligent person, can't you see the inconsistencies in what you are saying?

Mikey, God is sovereign. He will do what He wants when He wants and how He wants, no matter how much we may want it. He knows we suffer. He knows the sorrows of illness, and we are right to be in anguish over it. My wife is severely disabled, and I know of at least three times that the Spirit of God passed over her searching, but He did not heal her. Why not? I don't know, but I don't hate Him for it, nor do I denounce other Christians for not praying hard or long enough. I consider this world in which we live, and the sorrows of sin and wickedness, and all they produce, and I cannot for one moment believe that this life is even the barest minority of our existence, so shallow and limited are we. However, even if that's the case, this life still determines our condition forever.

Now, you say I speak religious mumbojumbo claptrap. I only speak what I have received, and if indeed I speak the truth, and you do not 'hear' me, then what is the condition of your character? You declare that you want facts, yet the truths of God will not bow to your demand for facts. It's not that there aren't any, it's simply that the human mind, including yours and mine, cannot grasp the fact that we are nowhere near the highest nor wisest intellect in existence. Even those deemed smartest and wisest among us are nowhere near the wisdom of God, not that the ubelieving would confess that.

Yes, I admit it freely. This whole Gospel and truths of God consideration is set up to where if you do not want to believe...for whatever reason...you will find reasons to support your choice. However, if one perhaps searches for God, knowing in their heart that He must be, He will make sure they find Him. It is also a wicked and arrogant character that demands proof from God. Who are YOU to demand anything? Who am I to demand anything?

Now, Mikey, God has perfect foreknowledge, and He has perfect wisdom. He operates out of that perfect foreknowledge and wisdom. He alone understands what it would mean were cancer eradicated from the earth. In addition, I remind you that I said this life is but a spit in the river. If one should have cancer, and die in pain, what do you think they might gain by saying "I do not care, God, what happens to me. I choose you!", but a crown of glory and praise from Him in the river of eternal life? I understand the embitterment when one cries out to God for healing and mercy, and the answer seems to be "no". If you believe the words of Jesus, know He also said, "In this world you will have trouble, but be of good cheer! I have overcome the world." What does that mean? First of all, the thrust of the word "trouble" or "θλιψιν" is "great trouble". It is the same word used for the Great Tribulation, when the one popularly called "the antichrist" will rule. Jesus was saying that will have "great tribulation" in this world. Then He says, "but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world." WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT MEAN!!!! Enquiring minds want to know, right?

Okay, so cancer will happen. Fibromyalgia and rheumatoid arthritis will happen. Doctors will get out of the pain management business leaving their patients scrambling for some way to not suffer beyond what they can bear... consider what Jesus endured, undeservingly. He came and preached love for God, healed many diseases, set free those held captive. And they crucified Him for jealousy. But He did not lose His faith, and He did not turn from God, even in the midst of His agony. He showed us that it is possible to cling to God even in the midst of great suffering.

Now, we can either call that an option for Him, and not for everyone, or we can understand that He knew the truth, that God alone is the author of life, and every other way is but death and defeat.

And I can tell you that sometimes He does heal. My mother had four discs missing in her back, and was under a doctor's care for many years. One afternoon, two friends, my wife and I had an opportunity to pray for her. Just a short, simple prayer, in the name of Jesus, amen. She was healed instantly. Her doctor verified no missing discs where there were none before. She called me to tell me she just got done chopping a cord of wood. So, I know He does heal.

But the ultimate healing is yet to come. And we will see it/know it if we have this attitude, that no matter what, we will cling to Him, even through tears and sorrows that feel like our guts are being ripped out and we'll never smile again. His comfort is real, and when we cling to Him, even through the tears, we understand how great is His compassion.

Oh.....OK

Mikey, God is sovereign.

Who says God is sovereign? was it God himself? who did he tell that to? and don't give me the "its written in the Bible nonsense" either, that thing is full of holes and inconsistencies and written by man. (but nice thin pages and easily put on a nail in your outhouse)

To say that God is sovereign makes no sense, I think you may have failed to understand the meaning of the word, (or God has)

Very good post .

FE, same reason they watch in the first place, when you get down to its essence: fear.

Good observation austinrick.

What I find a little weird to say the least, is their embrace of the end times and the possibility of death and thus their entrance to heaven. Yet they do seem to fear everything they cannot control. They seem to be looking for answer's everywhere except the bible they claim to worship.

I used to be Christian, I attended catholic schools and participated heavily in the church. But now I have no faith in god. The entire time I was involved in the church it felt like a lie. Even the times the structured events would create emotional events it felt more like a psychology exercise than a moment with god.

But the part that most disturbed me was the anger and hate toward gay's, women'srights, people of different faiths and the feeling that all of the worlds problems where only a five dollar donation away from a solution. Many of these people must have never read the bible. The Catholic church in my opinion is the only church even remotely close to the teachings of god. They help the poor, accept the gay population (for the most part) and in my opinion practice what they preach. But many christian churches would demonize them for worshiping idols. From what iv'e seen, most christian churches have a very primitive and misguided, even hate filled idea of what god wants of them.

Sorry for the rant, but people like this annoy me to no end.

That's how he smells God's message. LOL

Well God told me that Pat Robinson is full of poo.

SHE also said he should be ashamed of himself for using her name to further his hateful agenda.

We need a constant reminder of the dangers of psychosis. We saw that each time The Fed repeats the Psychotic Mantra...that it is good for the USA.

FlyingEnergy, you obviously still are a Catholic. The Catholic church is actually the beast of Revelation 13. You can say it isn't but fact is, it is. Most people think that passage about the beast and the image of the beast is some future scenario. Actually, it was a future scenario for John the Apostle in Revelation, but it's been current events for us since about 360 a.d.

Check this out: This is on the Pope's official mitre that he carries:

VICARIVS FILEII DEI

Remember Roman numerals?

V - 5
I - 1
C - 100
I - 1
V - 5
S - 0

F - 0
I - 1
L - 50
E - 0
I - 1
I - 1

D - 500
E - 0
I - 1

Total: 666

I don't believe that a "Creator of all the heavens and the earth", would create an enemy of himself, and agree to fight him over the souls of his own creation. This just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, god appeared many times to individuals before we created technology to record and confirm such conversations with god. Today many people claim to speak to god directly, but we recognize these people as having a disease called, schizophrenia.

There are many more strange inconsistancies in the story of god. But I will leave you with this from Wikipedia.

." (The sum works as follows: VICARIVS FILII DEI = 5+1+100+1+5+1+50+1+1+500+1 = 666, where 'U' is taken as 'V', see U for interchangeability reasoning). In fact, following the only way to read Roman numerals where "'IV' means 4" and never 1+5, the sum is 664 rather than 666.

Catholic's answer the Protestant claims by noting that "Vicarius Filii Dei" is not an official Papal title.^[16] They also argue that even if it was a Papal title, that wouldn't be sufficient to associate the Pope with the number of the Beast, as, for example, the name of Ellen Gould White can also be similarly manipulated to get the same number (ELLen GoVLD VVhIte 50+50+5+50+500+5+5+1=666).^[16] They answer the claims that "Vicarius Filii Dei" is written on Papal Tiara by stating that there is no evidence of any Papal Tiara having such inscription.

Very interesting about Ellen G. White, who founded the 7th Day Adventist church. The image of the beast in Rev. 13 is not the same as the Beast, but bears the number of his name. Interesting.

It's not the tiara. It's his mitre, the little staff thingy he carries in his hand.

Also, why would every letter be assigned a number individually but IV be assigned a joint number? I understand IV is the number 4, but it is not manipulation or erroneous supposition to assign each letter a specific value.

Thank you, though. I enjoyed your response.

Now, as for the Creator of the Universe creating an enemy for Himself, He did not create an enemy, rather satan made an enemy of himself by introducing another will into the universe. As for the age old question, "why then, evil?" think back to Job. "Touch his flesh and he will curse you to your face". Also, God is glorified by those who 'no matter what' choose Him.

Further, for God to judge evil righteously, evil must bear it's full fruit. Yes, God could stop child abuse, the antichrist, murder, wars, but then He would not be just in His judgement of the wicked. How can you spank a child, knowing that he will steal a cookie next week?

On second thought, the thing about Ellen Gould White is most disingenious. Okay, so to denounce the truth, two out of all the letters in VICARIVS FILEII DEI are combined to make number. No others are. In the same way, the letter W of her last name is given the number 10 because of separating the W in to two V's.

There is a truth here but not what you posted from the wikipedia article. Wikipedia articles are submitted by private individuals are not subject to strict constraints for accuracy.

As for talking to God directly, I can understand, coming from a Catholic background, how you may feel you have to have a priest talk to God on your behalf. That is one of the reasons for the Protestant reformation. You can declare me to be schizophrenic if you want, but what will you be on that day as you backpeddle and declare to God that you didn't know He is real, and it's not your fault?

but what will you be on that day as you backpeddle and declare to God that you didn't know He is real, and it's not your fault?

But isn't that a convenient excuse? Believe in the creator who hates Muslims, Jews, Black people, gays all of which are his creation of course. Chooses presidents, who are apparently against the poor and for the wealthy. And is apparently ok with sending more than half his creation into an eternal pit of damnation for not following rules he had printed on stone tablets that disappeared thousands of years ago. Yes, follow him, or you will face his wrath.

This really doesn't sound like the loving creator of all things I learned about. The writings of the end day's all sounds like the voice of a man, creating a warning for those in power, that the end times will happen if they mess with their god. Christians have fought Muslims for over on thousand years, for what? They believe in roughly the same philosophy and religion. Would god really damn one civilization for not believing in your particular story of god? Would he really want you to kill his creation for having a slightly different view of him. Remember you are born in an area with a specific faith beliefe. In America you may find more christians, so therefore more christians will be present and you will be more inclined to be exposed to the christian faith. In the middle east the same is true for Islam.

I thought Jesus told us to love all gods people. Yet I see anti gay protests at military funerals, anti gay hate speach, is that what god want's. Is he really more concerned about what others who don't necisarrly believe in him are doing, than let's say the thousands dying around the world from starvation and genocide who do believe in him?

So, here's my question to you. Do you judge God based on human actions? Or can you not understand that there is wickedness in the world, and that Judgement is coming, but Jesus made a way of escape? Do not be decieved. The one who does wickedness will suffer God's wrath, while those who do righteousness, and believe in the One He has sent, will be with Him forever.

Now I also understand Catholic doctrine, and the doctrine of Prima Fidei Regula. Catholicism places catechism and the Pope's word above that of the Bible. Indeed I have met so many Catholics and I ask them "Do you read the Bible?" and I have yet to receive an answer other than "No, I read the catechisms" or "No, I read a book of prayers". Catholics are ignorant of who God is because they defer to man, and do not know how to have a relationship with God that is born of the Spirit. And if you knew God, you would know that He seeks the true and noble, those who love the truth, be they of any skin color, race, religion, persuasion, but the first thing He does is draw them to repentance of their sin, and submission to Jesus Christ, whereby they are born again of the Spirit. In that the word of the Pope is regarded as the voice of God on earth, which is false prophecy (else why would he be silent concerning the revelations of child abuse by priests? What, does "god" not care?). Twice I've been told, by a nun then a priest, that unless the Protestants come back under the umbrella of the Catholic church they will never experience the fulness of God. What a lie from the pit of hell! Why then does God pour out His Spirit upon Protestant churches filled with those who love Him while Catholicism is dead and void of His presence?

The point is, God readily demonstrated His love for mankind by sending Jesus to die on a cross. Think of it as a legal transaction. One judgement applied to many. But it also reveals to us God's opinion of sin. I don't know if you saw the move "The Passion". One's disgust and hatred of Mel Gibson shouldn't prevent one from seeing this film. It is as close to accurate as any portrayal of the arrest, mock trial, wicked judgement, and crucifixion of Jesus Christ, as I have ever seen.

There are things you do not understand, and I do not mean that to be mean or say I'm better than you. I have nothing to give that I did not receive. Those who work among Muslims report that many Muslims are having dreams of Jesus Christ, and converting to Christianity. They are converting by the thousands each month around the world. Why don't you read about this in the news? A couple of good reasons. It doesn't fit the liberal, no-God agenda to publish such news, and the devil wants to keep it quiet. Also, in many places, Muslims converting to Christianity results in imprisonment, torture and death. I have met missionaries to Muslim countries who tell me of sweeping conversions, where the individual persons and their conversion is completely unrelated to another's.

Now, if you would read Isaiah 19, you will see that God has a plan for the Muslim, just as He has a plan for Israel, and all people who have personal relationship with Him through faith in Jesus. Isaiah 49 reveals God's plan to spread His salvation around the world, in this statement;

"It is not enough that You (Jesus) should be My Servant, to restore the lost ones of Jacob that I have kept, but I will make You a Light to the world, so that My salvation may reach to the ends of the earth."

That there have been abuses throughout the centuries is obvious. The Catholic church rather leads the way in that arena. You want to talk about the Crusades, fine. There's your Catholic church. But what does that have to do with you today? It's a deflection and distraction to toss up the Crusades. I wasn't there. No one I know as there. You weren't there. It's a non-issue. And if you want to blame anyone for the Crusades, blame the Beast of Revelation 13, the Catholic church.

And one last thing I hope you really get a grasp of. If God is saying He is the only way and it's through Jesus, period, should we really dismiss Him for our own imaginations? Judgement is coming, but Jesus made a way of escape.

Or can you not understand that there is wickedness in the world, and that Judgement is coming, but Jesus made a way of escape?

God created all things, the heavens and the earth. That would include emotions and feelings that would make someone, "wicked". So why would god create an emotion that he doesn't want people to exhibit? And before you say that is a choice, look around some people have emotional issues that revolve around their brains operation. Some have frontal cortex damage that makes them not know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. They act based on the way their brain works. So I would blame god if he chose to create such people, only to disdain their life.

Catholics, at least when I was in the church, do not believe the pope's word holds more weight than the bible. He is the ultimate interpreter. He has his cardinals and other staff decide using historical fact and bible passages what god would want from his followers. Your conception of him as some sort of demi-god is completely false, he is a man, a man who devoted his life to god.

Why would Muslims convert to christianity? I'm sure some do, but like I said before, the two religeons are very similar, it's all a matter of who told the story, maybe both are wrong.

And if you want to blame anyone for the Crusades, blame the Beast of Revelation 13, the Catholic church.

I blame ignorance and a desire for land and wealth for kings. You speak as if you are a righteous man, yet Mathew 7:1 say's "judge not, that ye be judged, For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged". But then you say,

It doesn't fit the liberal, no-God agenda

My parents are Liberal and they go to church and worship god. They believe Liberalism is what Jesus would believe in. You know, feeding the poor, clothing the naked and wo to the rich, those ideas are what Jesus believed in right? Or was he running around every Roman temple wagging his fingers in protest about the murder of thousands of Babies at the time of his birth? Was he protesting the presence of homosexuals all over his holy land? No, there is not one sentence even coming close to a condemnation of these things.

Okay, I'm trying really hard but I can't think of a single emotion that God made us capable of that He wouldn't want us to express. Maybe anger, for "the wrath of man works not the righteousness of God", but then we are told to "be angry (okay, be angry) but do not sin". Also, "do not let the sun go down on your wrath." In other words, don't go to sleep with a grudge. Lust is an emotion, I suppose, but is the darker side of desire. Emotion is emotion regardless of the object of the expressed emotion.... We are also told that "God made man upright, but he has sought out many devices". In other words, mankind has corrupted his way by choosing sin.

Now, do you remember when Judas pitched a fit about Mary Magdalene pouring a costly oil over Jesus's feet? Judas feigned some concern for the poor, and Jesus replied "The poor you will have with you always..." So, the question would be, did God make them poor? You talk about the people who do not know right from wrong. You know, we can 'what about' and 'what if' this thing to death, and issues of people with half a brain and unable to discern right from wrong, and so on...these are not the typical types of people. But okay, I'll bite. I don't know. Did God create evil, or did free will creatures choose evil? What is evil? The Bible says that evil is acting out contrary to the will of God. What is the effect of sin in the world? Sin is a corrupting influence. There's also the question of what it looks like when God chastises a nation. Romans 1 talks about God "giving over" people who "did not honor Him as God, but changed the glory of the incorruptible God for devotion to corruptible..." then he names some animals. What does it look like when God "gives over" a people? I do not know why people are born with half a brain. As for emotional issues, some people are wimps, and some people have suffered horribly. Reactive Attachment Disorder, Multiple Personality Disorder, Sociopathic and Psychopathic behavior, to name a few. Did God make them that way, or did wickedness in this world make them suffer so, changing who they would have been otherwise? I understand that there are people who do not have the power of choice. However, that is not most people, and I think what we need to talk about is indeed the most people. Bring it home. What about you? What about me? And so on.

Okay, perhaps the Catholics from which I learned about the Pope and Prima Fidei Regula and all that were Boston Catholics, and they really can't be trusted. To be clear, I was not saying that the Pope is God on earth. I was saying He is the voice of God on earth. In other words, a prophet who speaks for God, and not some demi-god, although his words carry the weight as coming from a prophet of God. This is still equally heinous that he should keep silent about these abuses. He had the power to bring such healing to those abused, and yet he remained silent. But you know, I really don't want to go off on that tangent. I have a deep disgust for the Catholic church that predates my discovery that it is the beast of Revelation 13. And no, I was never Catholic nor am I one of the surivors of abuse by a priest.

As for Islam being almost the same as Christianity, um...no. Not hardly. First, the most glaring difference is the person of Jesus Christ. They regard Him to be a prophet, and the Koran instructs the Muslim to honor Him, yet they don't believe a word He said. That is until the Spirit of God moves on them and gives them understanding. And yes, there are Muslims converting to Christianity by the thousands every month. The big draw is that according to Islam, God cannot be known. And their sin, there is no remedy. They find out that Jesus will forgive their sins, and that God can be known through surrendering their lives to Jesus as Lord and Savior, and so they do. Islam gives no fulfillment, no life. It is a dead religion with no power.

Umm...speak like a righteous man? Well, I long ago gave up any claim to being a righteous man. Anything I have to give I have received.

And as for your liberal, church-going parents, I congratulate them for their charitable hearts. Myself, I avoid as much as possible any designations of liberal, or conservative, or republican, or democrat, etc, because once someone pins a label on you, they think they know what you are all about, when in fact, they do not. ANd I think Jesus must have been liberal in some things, and conservative in others. He didn't like the labels either.

I find the whole 666 thing interesting, because you conveniently leave out the letters with no Roman Numeral equivalent (giving them the value of zero). If I remember right, there was no zero in Roman Numerals. The same with Ellen Gould White. This is seeing what you want to see.

ANd I think Jesus must have been liberal in some things, and conservative in others. He didn't like the labels either.

That I can go with.

Tony, there is no Roman numeral with a corresponding letter of R, or P. In Revelation 13, we are told to calculate the number of his name, for it is the name of man....666.

IN addition, in 1809 Napolean arrested Pope Pius VII, who, long story short, died early. In Rev. 13 we also read about the head of the Beast that seemed to suffer a fatal head wound (keep in mind, John is trying to describe what he's seen in language of the day). Go ahead and read the rest of it. Who gives the beast a throne, power and authority? The dragon, which is the devil. The Catholic church had the fatal head wound, but survived. And "all the world wondered after the beast". How far reaching is Catholicism?

As for Ellen G. White, I agree that it is as disingenious to cut the W in half to achieve the number 10, as opposed to 0, even as it is disingenious to assign the number 4 to VICARIVS and not apply the rule elsewhere. It IS a calculation.

As for Jesus, He came to earth and everything He did pointed to the cross. To His crucifixion. All His miracles that He did, and teachings that He taught were so that people would believe once He was crucified. As He told the Pharisees, "If you do not believe Me, believe the works that I do." If He simply came to earth, lived a quiet life and got crucified, it would have been only another Roman injustice. Therefore, to cling to Jesus's pre-crucifixion teachings, and be amazed at the miracles, and so on is all well and good, Yet we must...everything depends upon it...follow the natural progression and realize we have dealings with the cross. We must die...our old nature. And God has promised to raise us from the dead. Of course at this point, it's part allegory and part hasn't happened yet. But we cannot do justice to the text if all we do is focus on what Jesus did and didn't say. It would be like writing story after story of Mitt Romney buying a house, but never deal with his bid to become president. Or something like that.

Jesus came to earth and did mighty works; taught the poor, healed the people, rebuked the wicked, and died on a cross to redeem mankind from the condemnation of sin. Then He rose from the dead. What are you going to do about it, for it indeed demands a response?

Tony, there is no Roman numeral with a corresponding letter of R, or P. In Revelation 13, we are told to calculate the number of his name, for it is the name of man....666.

Exactly, so assigning a number them, even zero, is a miscalculation. They are not numbers, they are letters. Assigning numbers to letters seems to be numerology.

He's not telling because God told him that Obama will be elected for another term and he doesn't like God's choice.
Too bad Pat!

I’ll leave you in the dark

This from a guy who resides there.

As a speak in tongues and roll on the floor Christian I have a problem with this line.

“I think He showed me about the next president, but I’m not supposed to talk about that so I’ll leave you in the dark — probably just as well — but I think I know who it’s gonna be,”

I suspect he was referring to federal laws that make it illegal for tax-exempt, non-profit organizations to endorse candidates, attempt to influence elections, etc. I don't think he was implying that God revealed something to him and then told him to keep quiet about it.

Of course, the discourse that followed could be construed as violating the law... so maybe not.

If you really have heard from God this line makes no sense.

"but I think I know who it’s gonna be,”

If it is really from God there is no error and if you can not speak with certainty then you really did not hear from God. If it is truly from God and a prophetic message it will 100% come to pass. To say you heard from God and then to confess doubt is to not really believe it is from God and from his flesh.

Amen.

Texas-that's because he's lying and he knows gullible fools will believe his garbage no matter what.

God HATES Obama?

Is it too much to ask Christians to memorize and follow Christ's ONE single commandment, "love thy neighbor? It keeps feeling like their belief is love thy neighbor except if you neighbor is a non white, non Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, non Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Progressive, etc... then you get to HATE them. Its as if they have added an amendment to the New Testament.

People like Pat regard themselves as experts on the New Testament but can't understand one single commandment. No reading comprehension or attention span to grasp one single commandment.

Your right about that. He is lying. If Pat had heard from God he wouldn't be saying I think, he would know that he heard from God and he would know what he heard. God is Love. He does not Hate. That is just Pat's hatred coming out Not God's. Pat, God does not tell us to hate anyone and especially our enemies, but to Love them. Satan Hates everyone including you and he wants us to hate everyone. Pat, you should fall on your knees and hope that God really does talk to you and your heart. You don't have to like anyone but you do have to love them in order to get to heaven and be with God. Lord Speak to Me.

I think there's an age-old dynamic at play, here. It happens quite often. Consider:

Jesus is sitting with His disciples under an olive tree. They are talking about the great things they have seen, and how wonderful it is, and the great mercies of God...then Jesus stands up and say's "Come. I must go to Jerusalem", and starts to walk away. The disciples remain in place talking about what great things they have seen, and the miracles, and the power of God displayed, announcing "Yeah, Jesus! We're right there with You! All the way! We're by Your side!!"

Get it? God may be God of your history, but if that's all He is, then that's all people have to go on when trying to make sense of their world, and indeed their opinion of world events, as they unfold, doesn't come from hearing God (who is indeed "speaking") but through the filter of that long ago revelation. And that leaves a person ripe for error. This is what is meant by "everyone did what was right in their own eyes".

Before Mother Theresa died, she was being interviewed, and the interviewer asked her how much time she spends each day in prayer. "About six hours" was her reply. "SIX HOURS!?!?!" exclaimed the interviewer..."what could you possible have to say to God that takes six hours to say?" Her reply, "Not much. I mostly listen." And look at the fruit of her life.

MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God.

She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan.

Where did that money, and all the other donations, go?

The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been—she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself—and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?

bull@!$%#. abortion somehow empowers women? How? I'm a woman and the only time someone advised abortion was because they didn't want to help. (mostly by own female relatives.)

Maybe in your case that's true, but your view is on a personal level, she oppressed woman on a grand scale, abortion empowers woman by giving them choice, a choice to live or to die in poverty,,,was that your case?

God never existed but, if he was a GOP/TP Demented.....I would have done Pilates job for him.

devie, actually, the 666 comes from the Roman numerals translated from the words inscribed on the Pope's official mitre. VICARIVS FILEII DEI. Remember your Roman numerals? Add them up.

John Gaines, no worries. That job was already taken, and indeed it must have been filled. It was neccesary for Jesus to be condemned by the Roman government, so that He could be executed. But that's okay. I'm sure your sentiments are noted.

Bloody eyeties, they are never to be relied upon, if you need a good job done. It must be all that fatty Pasta.

666 is in Revelations, which was around well before popes were around.

uh Tony, ever hear of Biblical prophecy? That means God said it would happen before it actually does. One such great fulfillment of prophecy besides the birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus Christ is the rebirth of the nation of Israel, which is proven by Ezekiel 4 and Leviticus 21. It was reborn on exactly the day indicated. Fascinating stuff, however people make inaccurate claims based on agenda rather than research and proof. Then when these things are proven, the best they can come up with is "no it isn't".

She speaks in an Alto voice. And says that everybody may as well lay off the campaigning and the campaign contributions because the vote is already decided. Heck, even prayer is unnecessary at this point, Pat, because it's a done deal.

Question: When God speaks to Pat is He a tenor or a baritone? Just asking.

duh, everyone knows he speaks with the voice of Morgan Freeman...

unless your a fan of Kevin Smith movies then it is Alan Rickman...but that's it anything else is blasphemy I say...

Hey! I thought George Burns was a fine GOD voice!...

He's a Soprano... which is rare for men, or is she a woman?

Personally I kind of preferred the voice of James Earl Jones. He did a really great Darth Vader too. LOL

Now thats humor right there

Robertson epitomizes so much of what is wrong with "religion"

I have said it on many vine seeds and I will say it again. Religious people are a dime a dozen, what the world needs is Godly people. I think Robertson is part of the dozen.

There are "religious" people and then there are the "spiritual" people.

Question is, where do you keep your faith? On your sleeve for everyone to see? As Pat does.

Or do you keep it in your heart where it can be used to guide you in the right direction?

daMamma said:

Question is, where do you keep your faith? On your sleeve for everyone to see? As Pat does.

Or do you keep it in your heart where it can be used to guide you in the right direction?

Oddly enough, if you keep it in your heart and use it to guide you in the right direction, everyone will see. You just won't have to be so noisy and obnoxious about it.

Oddly enough, if you keep it in your heart and use to guide you in the right direction, everyone will see.

By their fruits you shall know who His disciple are....

No, this is an example of Pat refusing his meds.. again.

What's the sound the bird makes "cuckoo! cuckoo!"

Actually the meds aren't working, they need to try new ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82e283rqxrY&feature=related

OMG, you're killing me!

[seriously LOL LOL]

When ever he speaks...he passes gas.....nothing more

Creeping Jesus

That was too funny, LMAO

probably a One Cheek Sneak !

I'm no devotee of Pat Roberts, or 700 club for that matter, but just sayin...

When I was in college, a group of people I know went ice-skating. One girl fell and hit her head on the ice, rendering her unconscious. The paramedics took her to the hospital, where she remained unconscious. Those that were with her were in the waiting room praying, and Pat Roberts/700 club was on the TV. Pat Roberts said, "There is somewhere, a young woman who has hit her head on the ice. The Lord is saying she will be okay." In the examination room, the doctor is standing next to the unconscious woman, looking at a brain scan, when she suddenly sat up and asked what was going on, and why she was there.

Just sayin...

God really likes Obama, look at the republican field he gave him to run against. He even spoke to most of them personally.

The trials of Job come to mind.

He probably looked a lot like Yasir Arafat, although according to the historian Josephus he was very short.

according to the historian Josephus he was very short.

Let's not forget that as a public-domain fictional character, Jesus Christ is depicted however a given author feels is appropriate to the story.

Zen, sure, for fictional characters. Amazing. I suppose people 2000 years from now will declare that all of us were liars as well.

If the historian Tacitus says you were executed by the Romans, you probably were. That doesn't mean you worked miracles, etc., although given the mind-body connection you could probably cure people with real, physical symptoms who were really mentally ill. I think he was a great rabbi who came to an unfortunate end, nothing more. If he believed himself to be the Messiah, that alone would give the Romans a reason to execute him since the Messiah was then thought to be a military hero.

OomYaaqub

If the historian Tacitus says you were executed by the Romans, you probably were.

That would be why I used the name Jesus Christ. The magical Jewish rockstar is a work of serialized fiction. The Romans were lovely at accounting, and so I am sure that there possibly was a dude named Jesus that was crucified for sedition (or the like) around the commonly accepted date.

Let's not forget that Tacitus (Publius Cornelius Tacitus) was born years after the execution of Jesus (approx. 56 AD), and wrote about the Christians years after that (approx. 116 AD). There is no evidence that Tacitus was working from primary source documents when he referenced Christ, and his mention of Christ is a passing reference in his commentary on the treatment of the Christian cult by Emperor Nero (Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus).

It is disingenuous to imply that the historian, Tacitus, wrote about Christ as anything other than a note of reference in his brief observation of the treatment of the cult of Christianity by the Roman government.

Levi777

I suppose people 2000 years from now will declare that all of us were liars as well.

If people 2000 years from now are as generally ignorant as they are now, there's a good chance that there will be a major religion based around the messianic figure of Harry Potter.

There will be 7 gospels of his life and deeds, along with myriad apocryphal writings (some of which are suppressed by the church and speak of the torrid romance between Harry the Savior and Saint Ronald).

A Harry Potter religion? Well why not! We have an Elvis Presley religion down south.

LOL

. The Romans were lovely at accounting, and so I am sure that there possibly was a dude named Jesus that was crucified for sedition (or the like) around the commonly accepted date.

Which is all I'm saying. I'm Jewish. I couldn't care less if there was a Jesus, but in general historians no longer tend to say "this person never existed." Even Robin Hood and King Arthur may have been based on some real person, but that doesn't mean the entire myth is true.

Many great people in the past were multidimensional and had more than one talent that helped them stand out from the masses. In Egypt Imhotep was known as an accomplished architect for designing the pyramids and other heroic monuments. However he was also an accomplished physician and understood the functions of the body organs and how the circulatory system worked long before any Europeans did. Later in Europe Nostradamus was noted as a seer and fortune teller but his real occupation was as a physician who worked tirelessly in his efforts to fight the plague. Many of his findings were what helped to stop its scourge of the population. Most notably his observations about how it was transferred resulted in the complete burning of all of the belongings of a sick person to stop the contagion and efforts were made at his behest to control the rat population in their cities and towns.

So it is not inconsistent to think that Jesus Christ did indeed exist and was a great evangelist but it seems he was also a very accomplished herbalist and used many herbal cures in his ministry. His holy anointment appears to have been a concoction of cannabis, cinnamon, myrrh, and other aromatics and he liberally doused everyone with it. Today there are some who swear that it is helping if not curing their diabetes. Some even suggest that ingestion of an extract of this herb cures many other diseases. In any case I am certain that he knew about the benefits of honey and other holistic types of cures that helped him earn the reputation of being a great healer.

Once he was crucified his devout followers concocted all kinds of stories to perpetuate his myth and reputation in order to secure more followers and grow the Christian religion. I even heard one person speculate that he actually worked a deal with Pilate that they would fake his execution and he would then go into exile somewhere far away. However he pulled a fast one and made it appear that he had been miraculously resurrected. He then met with his faithful apostles showing the classic wounds from his fake crucifiction before leaving town and turning over the ministry to them. This person even speculated that the earliest books of the New Testament may actually be transcriptions of his letters of instruction to his apostles who took over his ministry. Who knows? Just because these people lacked technology they certainly did not lack intelligence and were capable of some pretty intricate intrigue. LOL

All I can say is that this story is just as plausible as the most common rendition to me. Now as far as speaking to God in any way I just don't believe anyone has any kind of connection, psychic or otherwise, to permit that. We have a host of people, some very believable, who claim that they can communicate with the dead. Now if that is the case then it seems that at least one of them would have managed to communicate with Jesus or even God but so far none have. Only politicians and televangelists seem to have those kinds of connections. Hmmm. Kind of tell you something doesn't it? LOL

Come on, they are all repug liars. As if God is going to get involved with hateful, neo-con, teabagger bigots! I don't think so. God: "I'm creating a galaxy today, but let me take a few minutes out of my schedule and speak telepathically with this egotistical, hillbilly, governor from Texas or that bat sh@& crazy congress woman from Minnesota. No, I will focus on a self-rewarding tele-evangelist from the bible belt". Don't think so!

Don't forget God told George Bush to run too. Don't think it's been God telling them. Look at their actions . Their actions say everything.

As if God is going to get involved with hateful, neo-con, teabagger bigots!

God doesn't get involved in anything. God is not an extant entity.

Thus, these candidates are suffering from delusions and auditory hallucinations, or they are manipulative pathological liars.

Either way they are all terrible choices to have in control of a nuclear arsenal.

The voices Pat are not God's.

They never are

God does warn of false prophets. You can tell when they are false by what's he their hearts. The way you tell what's in their hearts are by the words that come out of their mouths and their actions, If these things do not line up with God's words they are a fake. God said to beware of false prophets because there will be many before the end of time and Greed would be the root of the evil. Income inequality is about Greed. Thank God our President appointed someone to oversee Consumer Protection from Greed. This action is showing me where he's heart is. No, I'm not saying he is perfect or that he is God. Just the President is doing the right thing. Protection from Greed is the right thing to do.

FactOfTheMatter

False prophets go straight to hell Pat Robertson.

No gods, no hell. The same end comes to Pat Robertson, Adolph Hitler, George Washington, and all the rest of us. When someone dies, the biological process that defined them ends - period. We just cease to be. It doesn't matter if we were good people, or bad people, we all finish the same way. We have only this single life, and because of that we are obligated to not be jerks to each other.

Pat Robertson is not a nice person. He is either mentally ill, or criminally manipulative, but either way he is only accountable to us. There isn't some cosmic justice that will balance the scales for us. We have to actively make a stand and stop people like Pat Robertson from doing any more harm.

4RealLyn

God does warn of false prophets.

One can't fight crazy with more crazy. God doesn't warn anyone of anything.

People have written every word in every "holy" text. All of these people had their own agendas in mind when they wrote what they did.

All prophets are false. There is no known way to dependably predict future events (outside of statistical analysis). Pat Robertson is an ass, but no more so than Elijah, Jesus, or Mohammed (and at least we have hard evidence that Pat Robertson isn't a fictional character).

No gods, no hell.

Oh, I agree, wholeheartedly (atheist here). I'm just pointing out he's doing something against his own supposed belief system.

FactOfTheMatter

@25.3 - Pat Robertson is a hypocrite, he is just like those who believe in Islam and are willing to commit murder... I'm not trying to convert you but I have a question since you say you are atheist. What if you are wrong? If you are right, and there is no GOD, everyone goes to dust when they are buried and thats it. It makes no difference what you believe. But what if, there is a GOD, what happens to those who deny his existence upon death? Again, not trying to convert you but in my view, better to be safe than sorry.... Some folks say there is a GOD eventhough they don't worship on a regular basis... But as Americans we all have the right to believe what we want.....

What if you are wrong?

Then I'm sure I'll have lots of company.

Politico,

How about those of us that don't care???

If there is no god and death is nothing but a peaceful slumber, then I welcome it with open arms.

If the christians are correct, then I have no interest in making it to their heaven. Spending eternity singing the praises of Jesus and spending that eternity with christians sounds like my idea of hell...and if that's the case I will gladly go to hell. I refuse to spend eternity in the christian heaven. But's whats great about this scenario is going to be seeing the faces of all the christians who didn't think they would be joining me. It's better to reign in hell than bow down in heaven.

If there is a GOD, christians are not the only ones who may recieve some type of gift for acknowledging his existence. Every religion acknowledges his existence, If I were GOD, I would reward those that acknowledge my existence and ignore those who don't, in either case, no matter if one believes or not, they won't be alone in the end... I just look at it as being safe than sorry... By acknowledging my existence (if I were GOD) I'm excluding those who talk hate and commit hateful acts, really don't think GOD is about all that...

PoliticoMan-1635309

Every religion acknowledges his existence

You are mistaken. There are religions that do not acknowledge the existence of a god-like beings, and instead focus on other things like spiritual transcendence. There are also pantheistic religions that believe in multiple, distinct gods and bear little resemblance to monotheism.

If I were GOD, I would reward those that acknowledge my existence and ignore those who don't, in either case, no matter if one believes or not, they won't be alone in the end... I just look at it as being safe than sorry... By acknowledging my existence (if I were GOD) I'm excluding those who talk hate and commit hateful acts, really don't think GOD is about all that...

If such an entity as God existed, why would you ever draw the conclusion that it thinks in manner similar to you?

I have a question since you say you are atheist. What if you are wrong? If you are right, and there is no GOD, everyone goes to dust when they are buried and thats it. It makes no difference what you believe. But what if, there is a GOD, what happens to those who deny his existence upon death?

What you are talking about is known as Pascal's Wager, and there are countless, logical arguments against it.